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Matias tactile pro 2.0 takes steps back

After almost three years of regular and hard use the keys started to stiffen up on the Matias Tactile Pro 1.0 keyboard and I thought I'd try out the newly released sequel.

Basically the entire review can be summed up as this: It's 4 steps backwards, one step sideways, and 0 steps forward.

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The above image shows 3 steps backwards:
(1) One of the only two USB slots is now occupied by a gargantuan dual-USB cable used to plug the keyboard into the computer
(2 + 3) Matias decided to abandon the clean Apple aesthetic and spam up their keyboard with stickers
(3) This sticker is the kicker. It reads "USB 2.0 dock" and the box advertises it as being the greatest thing since sliced bread. Plug in all your fancy digital cameras and gadgets! Well, seeing how Apple mice have an extremely short cord the only thing you'll be getting at 40x the speed is your mousing action. WooHoo!

(4) The 4th step backwards was the removal of the light on the "caps lock" making it impossible to know whether you'll simply be typing OR YELLING.

Though this isn't an actual photo of my keyboard, the same flimsy feet were kept in the back. Step sideways: check.

Pretty much the only good thing I can say about this keyboard is that the mechanical keys are fantastic and luckily they are the sole reason I bought the keyboard. This comes with a 5 year warranty which from my experience (and keyboard usage) should outlast about 5 or 6 Apple Pro keyboards, which is good considering it's $150 price tag.

Posted by Aaron R. Deutsch on May 25, 2007 12:34 PM

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I waited 3 weeks to get my Matias Tactile Pro 2 keyboard, and when it arrived it did not work. Only the USB hub worked. Matias was super helpful and sent me a replacement keyboard with the quickness. Unfortunately the replacement keyboard has some issues too.

1) the Capslock key randomly turns on so I WIND UP SHOUTING when I don't mean to. Since there is no capslock light, I cant tell that its happening.

2) This is the big one. The right shift is somehow miswired and it triggers the Control Key. If I hold the right shift and type "OPOPOP" all over again, I start getting weird characters and my applications start popping up windows thinking I hit Ctrl+o or Ctrl+p shortcut. If I type really slowly it is fine. I doubt anyone with this keyboard types slow, though.

In addition, I am not happy with some of the design aspects of the keyboard. The "omg amazing USB 2.0 dock" Isn't helpful at all. I use a Macbook Pro so I have 2 USB slots on my machine. Both are taken up by the keyboard (2 usb cables on a keyboard? wth?) so I HAVE to plug my mouse in to my keyboard. After all that is done, I can't plug my iPod in. I had to spend an extra $25 on a 4 port USB hub.

Also like I previously mentioned, there is NO capslock light. Kind of weird since they put a damn power button on the keyboard.

I do like the way the keyboard feels and I can deal with no capslock light as long as I can have faith that my capslock isnt going to turn on unless I hit the button.

I'm going to try to return this keyboard and hope for a better unit next time around or I may just give up on it and try to snag an older model.

Posted by: Billy K at July 13, 2007 4:24 PM

I tried the MTP 2.0 and didn't like it much; in my review, I also cited you. In it, I pointed out that the MTP 2.0 "combine[s] a fat price ($150) with poor build quality (loose keys, a malformed edge, and a continuing shadow key problem)."

Bummer. Maybe next time.

Posted by: Jake at January 31, 2008 6:12 PM

I retired my Matias TP 1.0 because keys were beginning to stick and the noise finally drove me up a tree. now using the aluminum kbd that came with my iMac and very happy with it.

Posted by: 42 at April 30, 2008 5:50 PM

I just got the new Apple keyboard and it is a joy. Firm, positive action, with a much lower profile and much less hand strain.

Posted by: george at April 30, 2008 6:14 PM

"Real hackers" re-map their keyboards to swap the keys labeled "caps lock" and "ctrl". The light annoys them.

Posted by: Cameron at April 30, 2008 6:20 PM

Wait, it takes up /two/ USB ports? Lame.

Posted by: clvrmnky at April 30, 2008 7:28 PM

The 2.0 has serious ghost/phantom key problems. Typing rapidly in AdiumX and entering a capital H behaves exactly as if you'd pressed ⌘ - Shift - H to hide or unhide offline contacts. Entering T and H rapidly, as in typing 'the', often confuses the firmware so that the keys arrive out of order.

Posted by: Simon Pride at April 30, 2008 9:51 PM

I have the Tactile Pro 1, a purchase made because I'd been a long-time Apple Extended Keyboard user, and no keyboard measured up to it.
Unfortunately, the Tactile Pro also didn't, not quite. It's been better than they keyboards that have shipped with the Macs I've purchased, but it's no AEK. And it's difficult to clean (the AEK was easy to disassemble and clean; the TP totally unfriendly for that)--worse, the TP uses clear plastic, so all the gunk that's collected is visible. Compressed air and shop vacs haven't helped.

That said, the negative points in the main article aren't issues for me.
Stickers? Don't care. Form over function distraction.
Only one USB port? Eh. I don't use either of the two I have on the TP (I have something like 14 ports between two hubs. I use a wireless mouse because I found it irritating when my mouse cord got stuck on/wedged against things, so if I did need a port, it would be there.
No light on Caps Lock? Again, eh. I've never found a need for Caps Lock, so I have it turned off in the Keyboard and Mouse Preference Pane. Why do keyboards even have them anymore?

Posted by: Scott at April 30, 2008 11:44 PM

Another longtime Apple Extended Keyboard (not II mind you!) user here. After resoldering the venerable Alps switches in my AEK from donors for years, I was happy when Matias finally let me go the USB route without an ADB-converter. I'm using my Tactile Pro 1.0 for a couple of years now, and it still holds up. The feet have broken, yes, and they're flimsy. Matias did send me replacements (as I figure they had to do a lot).
Too bad they messed up with this 2.0 version, I had hoped they'd actually improve the model, not worsen it. It's also kind of sad that they still use the, now totally outdated styling of the early Apple G3/iMac keyboards. Apple has already moved on two generations of their design. They shouldn't have copied it in the first place, it wouldn't make them look stupid now.

Posted by: pim at May 2, 2008 4:15 AM

Inspired, I picked up Griffin's iMate, and am now happily typing away on my Apple Extended Keyboard, flawlessly working despite being older than most of my nieces and nephews (the eldest of whom are on the verge of college).

The Tactile Pro doesn't compare.

Posted by: Scott at May 3, 2008 7:16 PM

I've owned the TP 1.0 since shortly after it was released, and the phantom key problem drives me nuts! It was clearly never tested by anyone who types faster than a medium hunt-and-peck--I'm no speed demon, and I have problems daily.

I guess I'm also in the minority in that I like the caps lock key where it normally is (and with a light). I have no need for an additional control key.

Actually, my favorite feature of the Matias TP--and the reason I haven't just switched back to the keyboard that came with my machine--is having all the option and shift-option symbols printed on the keys. If the cheaper Matias keyboards just had the normal caps-lock location instead of the unnecessary extra control key, I'd have likely bought one by now.

Posted by: Dirty Davey at May 8, 2008 3:23 PM

ative points in the main article aren't issues for me.
Stickers? Don't care. Form over function distraction.
Only one USB port? Eh. I don't use either of the two I have on the TP (I have something like 14 ports between two hubs. I use a wireless mouse because I found it irritating when

Posted by: dizi izle at May 8, 2008 6:35 PM

I've got a 22 year old ADB Apple Extended Keyboard. Works as perfectly as the day it was made.

I also have a 1.42 Ghz Dual Processor MDD tower PowerMac. There's NO ADB port on it.

However, I also have Griffin iMate ADB to USB adaptor.

My 22 year old keyboard works perfectly with my MDD running Mac OS X 10.5.3.

Cost of keyboard from Goodwill: US$1.00
Cost of Griffin iMate from eBay: US$35.50 (included shipping.)

I have had exactly ZERO problems with the iMate!

Upgrading from OS X 10.4.11 to 10.5 involved telling the OS all about this keyboard it had never seen before. I had to press the "Z" key and then the "/" key. That was it.

Posted by: Chris Tucker at May 29, 2008 11:41 AM

Having just bought a Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard, I certainly wish I had discovered this review earlier. The ghosting is driving me nuts! I type Shift-i-p and the caps lock comes on! I type k-i-l and I get 'kilo'. When I tried to contact Matias support three times with their online form, I got no response after 5 days. A phone call got a girl saying Matias would send me a new keyboard if I sent mine back to them first (I get to pay for return shipping), as it sounded like the keyboard I got was defective. Judging from this review and many others on the internet, this keyboard just doesn't work properly. If Matias know they have a defective product, why are they still taking peoples money! As it is I will stay away from ALL Matias products for fear of the same issue.

Thanks to Chris Tucker above, I have dug out my Apple Extended Keyboard II and have ordered the iMate from Griffin--even though Griffin claims the iMate will only run on OS X up to 10.3.9, I will trust Chris and take a chance. Hey, its a lot cheaper than this overpriced defective pile of buttons.

Like others on this thread I sit at my machine 10-12 hours a day typing, mostly programming, but also writing the odd review. Low and behold, my most recent typing is for a review on my Find Mac Stuff website, on nothing other than...keyboards. I will be recommending people do NOT buy the Matias Tactile Pro 2.0 keyboard. We can only hope that v3.0 that is expected this coming spring will be better.

Posted by: James Riordon at August 3, 2008 5:32 PM

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